Comments on: Socialized medicine at work [UPDATED 10/10/07] http://andstillipersist.com/2007/09/socialized-medicine-at-work/ Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:12:50 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Gene Mate http://andstillipersist.com/2007/09/socialized-medicine-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Gene Mate Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:07:46 +0000 http://and-still-I-persist.com/?p=346#comment-149 I decided to see how Ontario fares using your not very scientific method. With a population of 12.75M and nearly 400 urologists it seems our sociliazed system has MORE urologists per capita than Colorado. Hmm. How can that be? Oh, and having required the services of one of those urologists a few months back I can even tell you the wait time: 1 week. Well, it would've been faster if I'd not asked for a doctor who was on holidays. And the surgical wait? 1.5 days. Recovery was the bitch. Stupid socliazed medicine. Free and timely. Damn them! I decided to see how Ontario fares using your not very scientific method. With a population of 12.75M and nearly 400 urologists it seems our sociliazed system has MORE urologists per capita than Colorado. Hmm. How can that be?

Oh, and having required the services of one of those urologists a few months back I can even tell you the wait time: 1 week. Well, it would’ve been faster if I’d not asked for a doctor who was on holidays. And the surgical wait? 1.5 days. Recovery was the bitch.

Stupid socliazed medicine. Free and timely. Damn them!

]]> By: Kevin Brennan http://andstillipersist.com/2007/09/socialized-medicine-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-148 Kevin Brennan Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:44:48 +0000 http://and-still-I-persist.com/?p=346#comment-148 Colorado also has almost ten times the population of Newfound. If it had the same number of people you'd have 11 urologists (better but not by much). Nova Scotia, which is just as "socialized" in fact has more per capita than Colorado. In other words this doesn't really mean anything. What does mean something is that government spending on health care is actually almost identical per capita in Canada and the United States. For your extra private money you get lower life expectancies, higher infant mortaility rates, and worse health care outcomes on almost every measure...the weight of alll the evidence is that socialized medicine is both better and cheaper. Start here: http://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/rp/healthcare/accounting_cost_healthcare.asp Here: http://ezraklein.typepad.com/blog/health_care/index.html But if nothing else look at this chart. http://ezraklein.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/health_spending_countries.jpg The U.S. spends as much tax money on health care as almost every other developed nation. You then spend an equal amount of money from private funds, most of which is spent on administrative overhead rather than on actual treatment of patients (see the McKinsey study if you don't want to take my word for it). Colorado also has almost ten times the population of Newfound. If it had the same number of people you’d have 11 urologists (better but not by much). Nova Scotia, which is just as “socialized” in fact has more per capita than Colorado. In other words this doesn’t really mean anything.

What does mean something is that government spending on health care is actually almost identical per capita in Canada and the United States. For your extra private money you get lower life expectancies, higher infant mortaility rates, and worse health care outcomes on almost every measure…the weight of alll the evidence is that socialized medicine is both better and cheaper.

Start here: http://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/rp.....thcare.asp
Here: http://ezraklein.typepad.com/b.....index.html

But if nothing else look at this chart. http://ezraklein.typepad.com/......ntries.jpg

The U.S. spends as much tax money on health care as almost every other developed nation. You then spend an equal amount of money from private funds, most of which is spent on administrative overhead rather than on actual treatment of patients (see the McKinsey study if you don’t want to take my word for it).

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